I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 08:59 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
The purpose:
To help class members strengthen their testimonies of the Prophet Joseph Smith and to encourage them to find happiness through trusting in the Lord and keeping His commandments.
Scriptures:
2 Nephi 3–5
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/3
(audio - http://tinyurl.com/2fzpgf)
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/4
(audio - http://tinyurl.com/ys4xtt)
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/5
(audio - http://tinyurl.com/2gptf4)
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Teacher's Manual Link:
Student Manual Link:
XO
Whit
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 09:06 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
http://www.ldsliving.com/bom7.asp
Meridian Link(s):
http://www.ldsmag.com/gospeldoctrine/bom/080205bom7.html
BYU New Testament Series:
Episode 9 - "Lehi Blesses His Son Joseph" (2 Nephi 3-5)
http://www.byub.org/bookofmormon/episode.asp?id=9
Extra Articles (as listed with Ep. 8)
* “Lessons from Laman and Lemuel” by Neal A. Maxwell - http://tinyurl.com/2bcack
* “Our Paths Have Met Again” by Spencer W. Kimball - http://tinyurl.com/2hrc7q
* “Records of Great Worth” by Marion G. Romney - http://tinyurl.com/2ekjqa
* “Gathering Scattered Israel: Then and Now” by Paul K. Browning - http://tinyurl.com/2c6bsw
* “A Message from Judah to Joseph” by Ezra Taft Benson - http://tinyurl.com/22xqp4
* “The Seven Lineages of Lehi” by Ross T. Christensen - http://tinyurl.com/259dcz
* “The Book of Mormon Message to the Gentiles” by Terry Ball - http://byubmp3.byu.edu/sperry/ball03.mp3 (this one is AUDIO format - right-click to save to your computer or just click to listen)
-Whit
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 09:07 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Lesson 1 - http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/506812
Lesson 2 - http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/508456
Lesson 3 - http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/510618
Lesson 4 - http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/512357
Lesson 5 - http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/514667
Lesson 6 - http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/516876
New Testament - 2007
http://deseretbook.com/time-out/forum/time-out/502654
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 09:23 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
One of my goals this week is to memorize it.
But, I was thinking... It would be wonderful if during the week as we study these scriptures some of us composed our own psalms. It is not necessary to share them - although I would LOVE it if you did... I might try it myself....
Here's Nephi's:
http://scriptures.lds.org/2_ne/4/16-35#16
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 09:39 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
I need thee every hour, most gracious lord.
No tender voice like thine can peace afford.
I need thee, oh, I need thee; Every hour I need thee!
Oh, bless me now, my Savior; I come to thee!
I need thee every hour; stay thou nearby.
Temptations lose their power when thou art night.
I need thee, oh, I need thee; Every hour I need thee!
Oh, bless me now, my Savior; I come to thee!
I need thee every hour, in joy or pain.
Come quickly and abide, or life is vain.
I need thee, oh, I need thee; Every hour I need thee!
Oh, bless me now, my Savior; I come to thee!
I need thee every hour, most holy One.
Oh, make me thine in deed, thou blessed Son!
I need thee, oh, I need thee; Every hour I need thee!
Oh, bless me now, my Savior; I come to thee!
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 02:17 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Posted: 11 Feb 2008 05:47 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Posted: 12 Feb 2008 11:20 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Okay, there are three main parts of this lesson:
1. Lehi teaches that his descendants will be blessed through the Prophet Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.
2. Nephi laments his sinfulness but glories in the goodness of God.
3. The anger of Laman and Lemuel increases against Nephi, and the Lord commands the followers of Nephi to separate from the followers of Laman.
Does anyone have any comments about any of these?
Posted: 12 Feb 2008 12:00 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
3. Interesting to me. Feels very applicable. I find it interesting that when you're doing wrong or not quite right, those who are drive you crazy... you're quick to anger. Like somehow their actions affect how or what happens to you... I"m not explaining well... just reminds me of home. :)
Posted: 12 Feb 2008 01:31 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
the Psalms of Nephi is my very favorite part of the Book of Mormon. I go to it alot when I am feeling sorry for myself. or when I am feeling grateful. I love it. I don't have time to tell you how much, but I will!
Posted: 12 Feb 2008 02:11 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Comment.
Amen.
Did the Lord take back his admonition to turn the other cheek here? No....but there comes a time when we are to remove not only our cheek but our whole selves from those who would hurt us, whether physically, spiritually, emotionally, or whatever. I think.
E
Posted: 12 Feb 2008 08:43 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
I think it is interesting that Nephi felt to write this powerful passage either soon after the death of his father, or after he is recalling that time and writing about it. He seems to be particularly humble, as are we all when faced with the loss of a loved one, yet strong in his faith. It is a time when he obviously feels a sense of gratitude for the plan of salvation and his knowledge and testimony of the gospel. It is also, perhaps, his response to recognizing that he is now the patriarch of his people. This is Nephi's personal "raising the bar" prayer.
"Learning the language of prayer is a joyous, lifetime experience. Sometimes ideas flood our mind as we listen after our prayers. Sometimes feelings press upon us. A spirit of calmness assures us that all will be well. But always, if we have been honest and earnest, we will experience a good feeling--a feeling of warmth for our Father in Heaven and a sense of his love for us . . . and since our Father in Heaven loves us with more love than we have even for ourselves, it means that we can trust in his goodness, we can trust in him; it means that if we continue praying and living as we should, our Father's hand will guide and bless us." ~ Spencer W. Kimball
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 11:42 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Posted: 14 Feb 2008 11:44 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
But I've been thinking a lot about this...
Posted: 16 Feb 2008 02:23 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
here is the url:
http://tinyurl.com/2f8psd
anyway, I am not sure if anyone wants to read the whole thing....so will share some of the things I really liked.....
I think Elder Scott has a sweet way of getting his message across. I know when I heard this talk it meant a lot to me, because I was in the process of being healed from sin against me....and also of watching someone I loved greatly follow Satans path and get caught in his traps...
'The painful consequences of sin were purposely put in His plan of happiness by a compassionate Father in Heaven so that you need not follow that tragic path in life. A sinner will not only suffer in this life, but sins that have not been forgiven through true repentance will cause anguish beyond the veil.
Satan strives to convince one that sins can be hidden from others, yet it is he that causes them to be revealed in the most compromising circumstances. His objective is the enslavement of God’s children. All of his enticing, alluring temptations have as their root the destruction of the individual. In fact, each of us needs consistently to repent and obey so that the gift of the Savior will satisfy the demands of justice for even our small errors of commission or omission.
The Savior will take upon Himself the consequences of your sins as you repent now. If that is not done, in time you will have to suffer for them yourself.'
we have talked about this the last few weeks haven't we....maybe also in other threads.
'If you are free of serious sin yourself, don’t suffer needlessly the consequences of another’s sins. As a wife, husband, parent, or loved one, you can feel compassion for one who is in the gall of bitterness from sin. Yet you should not take upon yourself a feeling of responsibility for those acts. When you have done what is reasonable to help one you love, lay the burden at the feet of the Savior. He has invited you to do that so that you can be free from pointless worry and depression. 11 As you so act, not only will you find peace but will demonstrate your faith in the power of the Savior to lift the burden of sin from a loved one through his repentance and obedience.
Now to you who have been scarred by the ugly sin of abuse. Mental, physical, or sexual abuse can cause serious, enduring consequences unless healed by the Lord. They may include fear, depression, guilt, self-hatred, and a deepening lack of trust in others that becomes a barrier to healing. Your abuse results from another’s unrighteous attack on your moral agency against your will. In justice, the Lord has provided a way for you to overcome the destructive consequences of abuse. That relief can begin with the counsel of parents, priesthood leaders, and, when needed, the help of competent professionals. Yet you need not experience a lifetime of counseling. Complete healing will come through your faith in Jesus Christ and His power and capacity, through His Atonement, to heal the scars of that which is unjust and undeserved. You may find that hard to believe with your current feelings. I have witnessed how the Savior has healed aggravated cases of abuse in that way. Ponder the power of the Atonement. Pray to understand how it can heal you. Seek the aid of your bishop so that the Lord can free you of a burden you did not originate.'
I know the Lord can heal us of sin against us, cause it has happened with me. It is not an easy process and takes turning everything over to the Lord for it to happen...or at least for me...but it is a sweet reward. one I will treasure forever.
I really appreciate the fact that Nephi tried over and over to help his brothers and to forgive them....but then was able to get the confirmation that he'd done enough and walked away. I know that when we have endured enough we will know as well, if we are trying to follow the Lords counsel. I am not sure why he had to endure his brothers wrath for as long as he did....maybe for the work of the Lord to be fulfilled...maybe because in some way it helped Nephi become the man he was...I am not sure. any ideas?????
I remember another talk by Richard G Scott...
well while I was looking for the other talk, I found this quote.....
Elder Richard G. Scott said that the Lord’s healing “can mean being cured, or having your burdens eased, or even coming to realize that it is worth it to endure to the end patiently, for God needs brave sons and daughters who are willing to be polished when in His wisdom that is His will
anyway, I can't find the other talk I was thinking of...I will keep searching. but here is my 2 cents for now...about 3 days late. sorry about that. it does seem like this is a busy week for everyone.
I get to teach the youth this week. I am excited about that....just want to do it justice. any great ideas ctr?
Posted: 16 Feb 2008 08:34 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
That being said, there are some thoughts I've been thinking.
In institute this week we were talking about talents. We dove into Nephi, who he was, what he was asked to do. We had a discussion about him building the boat. And why?
Why did he have to build the boat. I mean, one of my students last week or the week before, when we spoke of it, had a point. Couldn't Heavenly Father just had a boat waiting on the shore when Lehi and his family got there? What was the purpose in having them build it?
In class we explored more into Nephi's character. His willingness to do. And his talents. The teacher pointed out that Nephi knew that he needed tools. And that the tools needed to be of ore. So he asked where to get that ore. He mentioned that it was quite possible for one of Nephi's talents to have been metal work. Back when Nephi was meeting up with Laban, and was taking his sword, he took the time to notice and comment on it:
1 Nephi 4:9 And I beheld his sword, and I drew it forth from the sheath thereof; and the hilt thereof was of pure gold, and the workmanship thereof was exceedingly fine, and I saw that the blade thereof was of the most precious steel.
Nephi took the time to develop his interest and talent in metalwork. And therefore, when the Lord needed him to create and build a ship and later a new civilization, he had the skills and knowledge necessary to do so. And what he didn't know, he recognized and was able to go to the Lord for further information and instruction. You think?
So back to the boat.
Why did he have to build it. My mind went off here... off onto different angles. It's the random outside the box part of my brain perhaps. Why... maybe for him. Maybe for his brothers. Maybe it made them better, stronger and more competent. Maybe the family needed another opportunity to try to bond and work together for a common goal... which would aid them later.
Maybe because Nephi needed to exercise his faith. He needed to prove to himself that what he believed he believed with his whole being to the extent that he was willing to do such a monumental task.
Maybe the boat building was also for his brothers. Nephi never gave up on them. He had more brothers than just Laman and Lemuel. The boat building period was perhaps great training ground for Jacob and Joseph. An opportunity to learn, grow and listen to Lehi teach. I don't know. I just know I'm rambling and probably am not even being read... lol
Why did he keep trying with his brothers?
Because they were his brothers. His family. He loved them. He knew them. They grew up together. They were his big brothers... the Lord doesn't give up on us, so should we give up on others?
Sometimes I know that walking away isn't giving up, it's a form of self preservation... but knowing the time to do so is hard. You can still love them but not what they are doing or their choices. And I know personally that sometimes those choices mean that you need to be apart from them until/if it is time to do otherwise. Doesn't mean you don't love them. Doesn't mean you don't care. Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt to see what they are doing to themselves and their future. But again, what do I know? I'm still waiting for the confirmation I think, to walk away completely. It's hard.
As for Sunday School ideas... I've a couple. Once I flesh them out a bit, I'll be back. That's what I'm finishing up today. The lesson and the students have been on my mind ALL week! Especially my eye roller... I HATE eyerolling. lol I need to connect with her... :)
I know, I know... I typed too much. Sorry.
Posted: 16 Feb 2008 11:44 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
we also talked about the fact that Nephi was probably a metal worker by trade...in my class.....he was being prepared all along for this journey. The Lord gives us the skills we will need....which doesn't mean we don't have to develop them further in the process...like building the boat....but the foundation will be there....love it.
Posted: 16 Feb 2008 11:57 AMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
When to walk away? And how do you know if you are not walking away because you can't, or because it isn't time yet? Which is it?
What do I mean by you "can't"? Only someone who has been through it could understand. Not sure I know.
E
Posted: 16 Feb 2008 12:07 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
Because the word "can't" takes away from one's agency. there is always a choice. some of the choices may be poor ones but there is always a choice. It's a difficult concept for me. I think due to the fact that I've become accustomed to making these excuses and thereby weakening myself by not accepting that no one is "making" me do something, no one but myself.
In actuality what I should say is, "I am not willing to walk away yet, there is still hope for this [whatever this may be] to survive. And I am not willing to walk away until I know for certain that it is time to do so."
Although often for me, "can't" has deep, emotional meaning. The ties are deep, the fears are strong. Do I need more faith? More trust that things will work out?
Guess that goes back to the title of the lesson: "I know in whom I have trusted" eh?
Posted: 16 Feb 2008 01:23 PMSubject: I Know in Whom I Have Trusted - BOMSG - Lesson 7
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E
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